User talk:Levan Urushadze
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Hi, good to see you over here, hard at work.
At the top of a signed article place this notice:
This is a signed article. It may be edited for spelling errors or typos, but not for substantive content except by its author. If you have created a user name and verified your identity, provided you have set forth your credentials on your user page, you can add comments to the bottom of this article as Wikinfo:Peer review
Please note I copied your user page and user:talk pages over from Wikipedia. They are at User:Levzur and User talk:Levzur. You are welcome to blank them, redirect them or edit them in any manner you wish. I found them useful in importing your articles. FJB 07:44, 26 Feb 2004 (EST)
I would be better if you made a link to your signed article at the top of the page like this: See also Republic of Georgia by Levan Urushadze rather than making the page into a redirect. Others might wish to also edit the main article. FJB 20:26, 28 Feb 2004 (EST)
Please don't blank any more articles. FJB 17:58, 1 Mar 2004 (EST)
I have imported Zviad Gamsakhurdia from the last edit you made on Wikipedia. Not sure that is what you would want, but your version seemed to end in a double redirect. FJB 23:35, 26 Mar 2004 (EST)
Dr. Urushadze, As I have in the case of the article Georgian Orthodox and Apostolic Church by Levan Urushadze you need to restore the required notice at the bottom of all of your articles which began with an imported Wikipedia article. I have looked at the Wikipedia article (on the Church) and there are a number of edits there made by other people so you are not the sole author of this copyrighted material therefore the notice is required by the terms of the GNU Free Documentation License. FJB 08:03, 7 Apr 2004 (EDT)
I object to you claiming Wikipedia articles as your own work (by signing them) at all. If you sign an article as your own, the very least you could do is make sure it is your own work. Your efforts on Shida Kartli by Levan Urushadze are nothing short of plagiarism. If you are going to take Wikipedia articles, please leave them as unsigned articles. Ambivalenthysteria 21:53, 7 Apr 2004 (EDT)
- Again, I have to agree, but don't blank the articles, Ambivalenthysteria. Now, I really don't think this is what Fred had in mind with allowing signed articles, so I suggest you make a list of the most offending "by Levan Urushadze" articles and we could look at them and decide whether to keep them or not. Signed articles are a great idea for finished, publishable papers and other materials, perhaps even e-books, but not a way to claim ownership of text collaboratively generated... -proteus 23:51, 7 Apr 2004 (EDT)
- Where? There's no avenue here to complain about these things, and from the look of things, it doesn't look like anyone reads the Village Pump. Ambivalenthysteria 03:41, 8 Apr 2004 (EDT)
- A signed article which uses existing FDL material is perfectly ok. It simply represents the edit and point of view of the signer which is the creative element involved. You too, should you wish and otherwise qualify, may present your own version. FJB 07:23, 8 Apr 2004 (EDT)
- That's valid, too, but there is a subtle line being crossed somewhere. It seems to me there should be a threshold for how much change to an article merits the last contributor to claim ownership of the whole. I did a lot of work to philosophy and that whole section. I'd be pretty offended if someone came along, changed two words and then called it "Philosophy by RandomUser". -proteus 12:48, 8 Apr 2004 (EDT)
- Well, that's the rub. Wikinfo is still has a very small user base compared to WP, and even fewer of us are actually talking. The pump is probably the best place, as we haven't used Vfd at all, and votes in general wouldn't work with 2 or 3 sysops. I'd say the way you did it is just fine, using the relevant talk pages. Otherwise, use the pump. -proteus 12:48, 8 Apr 2004 (EDT)
I have put the article Shida Kartli by Levan Urushadze into the required form. As it uses information from the Wikipedia article which may have been edited by others, I have placed the required GNU Free Documentation License at the foot of the article. I have also placed a link to the alternative article South Ossetia which is also required under our policy of presenting alternative viewpoints.
Dr. Urushadze, You are a valued contributor here. However you persist in bending several rules. You persist in redirecting Wikipedia articles to your signed articles, thus depriving our users of the work available there. You then, using the imported Wikipedia article, which may contain edits by others on Wikipedia, retitle it. This is fine and you may properly do so, correcting whatever errors or conflicting points of view it contains. What is not fine is not providing a link back to our version of the original article. What is simply not allowable is removing the reference to the Wikipedia article at the foot of the page.
You may or may not know that two valued sysops have quit Wikinfo due to my requests that they not "hassle" you. I expect you to make steps toward conforming with our policies. If I have to go through your articles and correct them myself by hand I will do so, but you can expect to be banned while I do this tedious work. What I want from you is to restore the Wikipedia articles. Rather than a redirect, provide a link to your article; put a link back to the original article at the top of your article; and at the foot of the article, restore the reference to the Wikipedia article.
Please consider that if you chose to follow our policies you (and your colleagues and students) can look forward to being able to use this site as a forum for publishing for many years. If you don't we will eventually ban you. FJB 09:40, 8 Apr 2004 (EDT)
- Levan continues, even tonight I noticed another Wikinfo article being redirected to his signed version. The search engine counts 98 "by Levan" articles. This problem has become too big for any of us to easily "revert", and Levan doesn't seem to be listening to any criticism, even right here on his own talk page. My feeling is to recommend we block him until some reasonable solution can be found. I can see now why JasonP and Arkansas were so upset. Levan needs his own website, and a ban from this one. -proteus 22:53, 10 Apr 2004 (EDT)
- I propose banning him until we, by hand, and I have only so much time and energy, finish placing the notices in his articles. I expect this could take up to six months for me to finish should he chose to not do this for himself. FJB 05:55, 11 Apr 2004 (EDT)
- Even checking these is quite tedious, for example Davidgareja by Levan Urushadze is ok because there is no Wikipedia article, but because it is redirected from David Gareja Monastery that is not clear, nor when you go to David Gareja Monastery, as given the history, you have to then to go Wikipedia and mess around looking for David Gareja Monastery there. Bottom line, lot of work to be done checking each article, seeing if there is a Wikipedia article, making links to Wikipedia, and links from the article copied from Wikipedia to the signed article. To see if Dr. Urushadze can make the article signed without crediting Wikipedia you have to go to Wikipedia and check page history to see if anyone else edited the article. All in all many months of hard boring work. A shame to lose Dr. Urushadze's contributions for such a long time. FJB 07:09, 11 Apr 2004 (EDT)
- Yes, it is a shame, but I don't see any other way. You've asked and pleaded, you've been polite and patient, you've resorted to bold text, you've done temporary bans, two valued editors have left, another well-spoken contributor, User:Ambivalenthysteria may be driven away, and still Levan doesn't respond. He has to notice that "you have new messages" at the top of his screen. I say go ahead and block his account. Perhaps Ambivalenthysteria and myself can help with the reverts. The ones I've seen could simply be moved back as is, without the signed boilerplate, and the ones which are not clear could be put into a subpage format, reversing the name to "Levan Urushadze/Article", or something like that... -proteus 12:33, 11 Apr 2004 (EDT)
I have blocked this user until work on his articles has been completed. Tasks include: deleting articles that have been made into redirects to his signed articles. Then reimporting the article from Wikipedia. Then adding a link to the imported article to the signed article. Then at the signed article, adding a link back (at the top of the page) to the imported Wikipedia article and the reference link back to Wikpedia at the bottom. This is tedious time-consuming work that is unlikely to be finished in less than 6 months. Too bad Dr. Urushadze could not perform these tasks himself. FJB 06:31, 12 Apr 2004 (EDT)
- We could use a temporary project page to list the pages needing work, then as any of us work on them, we delete them from the list... -proteus 11:29, 12 Apr 2004 (EDT)
- I like little maintenance projects like this, I can do them bit by bit in my spare time and still feel that I'm contributing to the project even if I can't find the time for writing a full fledged article or portion thereof right at that moment. I randomly came across some of the pages Mr. Urushadze had blanked last night, while browsing the statistics page for shortest articles, and reverted them to their previous versions. FJB noticed and explained the situation with Mr. Urshadze on my talk page, and pointed me to your project page. He also mentioned some necessary formatting changes for the pages I reverted, which I see he's already gotten around to doing himself. I'll try to help with handling the cleanup of these pages, though I'll take it slow so you guys can monitor what I'm doing and make sure I don't do more harm than help. Jarandhel 12:48, 15 Aug 2006 (EDT)
