Talk:Democracy

Capitalist article
As I understand, this article makes the illusion that Capitalists are elected, and Communism is against elections. If Communism is against elections, why have then Communist governments been legally elected in Cyprus, Angola, Moldova, Nepal, Mongolia, Nicaragua and other countries? A young communist 02:24, 24 July 2011 (MSD)
 * No, I think you have misunderstood the article. This is not about what "road" we should take to get to socialism, but what kind of democracy is needed once we actually achieve socialism/communism. Some people (reformists, social democrats, etc) believe that the current capitalist "democracy" can lead to socialism guided by a socialist party, while others (communists, anarchists) believe this is impossible since the current "capitalist" (representative) democracy is itself corrupt and won't lead to socialism, therefore a revolution is needed. I object your use of the term "legally elected", yes, some socialist parties have been "legally" (legally according to the capitalist system, then a revolution would be "illegal") elected in some countries, but in other countries (Cuba, Venezuela, USSR, etc) the party could not get into power via elections and a revolution was necessary to overthrow the whole capitalist system. Revolutionary greetings 03:17, 24 July 2011 (MSD)
 * In Venezuela, the socialist government of Hugo Chavez have been elected several times. They owerthrew the Far-Right government, yes, but after that, they introduced an electoral system, so what you say here is not correct. And, as I understand, you now say tht these elected governments in Cyprus, Nepal, Mongolia, San Marino and Moldova weren't real socialist/communists? You even make it WORSE. I believe that elected communists governments are just as much communist governments as they in socalled "communist states" (Cuba, Laos, Vietnam, Russia, Yugoslavia and more). A young communist 20:22, 1 August 2011 (MSD)
 * And still, you are missing the point. Again, this is about the form of democracy that is advocated by socialists, when they get to real socialism and communism, an example is Hugo Chávez, who under a democratic socialist policy has promoted direct democracy by referendums, etc. Communists can get power via "democratic" elections, but once they are in power, they will try and get to a pure, truly democratic system. I hope you have now understood, socialist greetings 05:25, 2 August 2011 (MSD)
 * But these communist governments that are elected are also communist governments. Your claims about that they got "false socialism" is a break against Communpedia:We are all leftists, that you all the time have criticized me for not following. A young communist 17:14, 2 August 2011 (MSD)
 * When have I called such parties 'false socialist'? please cite diffs, since I don't recall saying that 04:36, 3 August 2011 (MSD)