Talk:Great October Socialist Revolution

Tag
The last edit was about a year ago, so I've removed the "working" tag.

Also, in the head section, the characterisation of the revolution as a "putsch" is, I think, a little controversial. It's pejorative. Maybe a neutral-er term? Earthmonkey 06:16, 8 March 2013 (MSK)
 * Germanic overtones for sure, just as coup, despite being a French word, has Latin American overtones. User:Fred Bauder Talk 07:05, 8 March 2013 (MSK)
 * The problem is describing a seizure of power by a small disciplined group as anything but a putsch. User:Fred Bauder Talk 07:08, 8 March 2013 (MSK)
 * Is "takeover" pejorative? 21:55, 8 March 2013 (MSK)
 * Not really, but it doesn't ordinarily mean revolution. Putsch is associated with ineffective attempts at revolt by small groups. Coup with military takeover. It is quite hard to find a better word than revolution with its connotations of mass action. User:Fred Bauder Talk 13:39, 12 March 2013 (GMT)

Etymology
Initially, the event was referred as the October coup (Октябрьский переворот) or the Uprising of 25th, as seen in contemporary documents (for example, in the first editions of Lenin's complete works). In Russian, however, "переворот" has a similar meaning to "revolution" and also means "upheaval" or "overturn", so "coup" is not necessarily the right translation. With time, the term October Revolution (Октябрьская революция) came into use. It is also known as the "November Revolution" having occurred in November according to the Gregorian Calendar.

The Great October Socialist Revolution (Великая Октябрьская Социалистическая Революция, Velikaya Oktyabr'skaya sotsialisticheskaya revolyutsiya) was the official name for the October Revolution in the Soviet Union after the 10th anniversary of the Revolution in 1927. User:Fred Bauder Talk 07:05, 8 March 2013 (MSK)

Scheme
Here's the plan I have in the back of my mind as I'm editing these Russian Revolution articles (Russian Revolution of 1917 and its sub-articles, February Bourgeois Democratic Revolution and Great October Socialist Revolution). I am putting it here, not to tell other editors what to do, but to make my edits, perhaps, look somewhat less senseless to the outside observer. You might also take this as an initial step toward collective working-out of a scheme for organising the topic.

Scheme:

'Russian Revolution of 1917' is the general overview, has maybe one paragraph on background, then covers the February Revolution and the October Revolution in moderate detail. I suggest detailed coverage stop in Spring 1918, which is when the Civil War got big. History after that point could be covered by other articles such as 'Russian Civil War', or perhaps 'History of the Soviet Union 1918-1921'.

The more detailed sub-articles under 'Russian Revolution of 1917' are 'February Bourgeois Democratic Revolution' and 'Great October Socialist Revolution'. Where does one end and the other begin? I suggest we take the arrival of Lenin on April 3rd as the dividing line. It's as good a date as any (?) and has some justification in that Lenin was instrumental in getting things moving toward a second revolution.

I suggest the main article (Russian Revolution of 1917) be readable, not too long, and oriented toward concepts. The place to put reams of data is in the sub-articles.

This is what I'm going on for now. I welcome suggestions. - Earthmonkey 01:49, 10 March 2013 (MSK)


 * In Soviet historiography October Revolution had larger authority than February Revolution. Therefore all events between March and October of 1917 should be placed in the article about Great October as Prehistory section. February Revolution ended with the overthrow of tsar Nicholas II (2nd (15th) of March 1917) and establishment of the dual power. Hence all further events are only consequences of the February Revolution and they may be briefly described in the appropriate section of the article. In addition the events between March and October may be placed in the common article (Russian Revolution of 1917).
 * Additional Soviet sources of information:
 * Articles from Great Soviet Encyclopedia - February revolution, October revolution
 * Revolution of 1917 in the textbook of history of the AUCP(b) - February Revolution, October Revolution --ComIntern 06:10, 12 March 2013 (GMT)